Are People Forgetting What The Supra Was? #blogpost
With the eventual release of the next generation Supra coming closer and closer, you read it more often than once that people think what the Mk.IV was and what the Mk.V must be.
With the eventual release of the next generation Supra coming closer and closer, you read it more often than once that people think what the Mk.IV was and what the Mk.V must be. Mostly these are people who weren’t even born when the production of the Mk.IV ended and will never be able to buy the Mk.V anyways, but that’s beside the point.
In the post I’m going to refer mainly to the Mk.IV supra since that’s what people associate with it. I’m aware there are more than just that one.
You often see two claims made about the Supra, or what the Supra should be et cetera.
1 - The price
2 - The character
I’m going to quickly make a point about each of the three.
The Price
Apparently people believe that the Supra used to be an affordable sports car for everybody. Oh, how wrong. The name literally means superior, why would one expect it to be a cheap car for the masses? It was the exact opposite.
The Supra Mk.IV had an MSRP only marginally lower than that of a Porsche 993 Coupé in 1993; that’s over €80,000 adjusted to today’s inflation. Eighty Tousand. And that’s not even the GTE version but the naturally aspirated GE version. The current 991 Coupé has a base price of over €90,000. It would be anything but a surprise if the Supra cracked the €100,000 mark. Well, assuming they’re going to put into the same market segment as the Mk.IV was.
The point is that the Supra never has been a model to rival the Nissan Silvia or similar cars. The name literally implied that the car’s opponents were the higher models, and the price was nothing short of that.
The Character
Alongside with the delusion of being affordable often comes the belief that the Supra used to be a back to the roots, no BS sports car. It wasn’t. When the Supra Mk.IV was released, is was nothing but a computer on wheels. It had tech everywhere. A highly modern traction control came standard and so did automatic aircon, the whole chassis was mostly an aluminium construction. The list of the tech gimmicks and the equipment is endless. The Supra was far away from being a spartan performance car with a classic chassis setup and a classic drivetrain. The Supra never was a car that had to keep some kind of legacy alive.
Speaking of the drivetrain… the JZ engine is not what a Supra makes a Supra. The only reason as to why the Supra Mk.III and Mk.IV had a 1JZ / 2JZ respectively was because it was a powerful performance engine for its day. It has nothing to do with character or with keeping the legacy of the predecessor alive, it was solely a decision from the technological point of view. You don’t see many Corvette C7s with a 350 iron small block and Cross-Fire injection under the bonnet anymore, do you? And for that exact reason, the Mk.IV Supra should, under no circumstances, have a JZ engine. A CAST IRON BLOCK IN 2017? WHERE DO I LIVE. That’s plain ridiculous. No modern car that has even the slightest demand of performance should have a cast iron block under the bonnet, let alone if it rivals the 911 and the Corvette.
So that’s pretty much it. I deliberately pixeled the names. The comments were taken from several CT staff posts announcing news about the supposed next generation Supra. If you happen to be one of the people who claimed similar things… congratulations, you are reason I’m triggered now and the reason my blood pressure rises.
Please share your opinion.
Comments
Making a supra a v6 hybrid would be like taking the Dodge Charger or mustang and making it a hybrid, kinda ruins the whole thing don’t you think?
Not really, look at the NSX, for example, it’s far from ruined. It was a modern car when it came out and it should be a modern car today. Same with the Supra, when it came out it was very advanced, and it should remain advanced.
Yes. The supra was a relitively cheap, fun to drive japanese sports car. Then people found ebay. Then the same people were making 800hp from a stock supra. Then 1200hp, then 1800hp, now over 2khp!!! 250 is enough!
Im not hating or anything, but the F&F franchise has ruined the supra for what it is, not some thousand hp thing with a silly wing on the boot…
Driving is what it was designed for, not drag times or lap times…
P.s. im not a fanboy. Im just a real hater or non-stock supras..
No no no I think we should all get one gor free!!! :3 lol
I never got why so many people think that its going to be a above-Gt86-high power-low price sportscar. I think people always forget that it will also be a BMW Mid to High End Sports car. Its like if you expected the Nissan GT-R to be a Supercar at todays price of a Silvia…
Im losing interest in supras already… good when youre 12 but when you actually become a car guy theres so many other choices that are WAY better than a supra especially because people know how desirable they are and jack prices up for mk4’s
I support your points except the 1JZ/2JZ thing. The JZ engine is what made the Supra legendary. It’s sheer strength is the reason the GTE is so beloved while the NA one is the black sheep. People admired how built the engine was.
Should the new Supra have a 2JZ? No, its an old engine. But it should have an engine that is just as well built and capable as the old JZ line.
Nice article, same can go for the NSX. Old technology has to be upgraded to fit today’s standards better, make the car safer, and faster. The companies aren’t aiming to anger the car community, but to make something better for them. It’s a similar deal with automatic gearboxes. Performance automatics are better than a manual, maybe not as fun, but definitely faster. I like change, I like improvement, I also like hybrids and electric cars, what I just can’t agree with though is a mid-engine Corvette. Not that I could afford one, and I’ll wait until they release one until I really start forming an opinion
Very well said mate
Great article.
Only adjustment: a cast iron block is not necessarily worse than an aluminium one. The Iron is a lot stronger, so the engine can be built “thinner” so when it comes down to weight, there is only a very very small advantage, if the engine developers used their metal right. A very nice example was the cast iron 1.8 Audi 4 cyl compared to the aluminium 2.0l BMW 4 cyl. Their weight difference was somewhere in the 10kg region for the whole engine with the audi being the lighter one, because they could make its walls thinner. (And don’t think that that’s because of the displacement difference.
Other than that great story ;)