The New Honda Civic Type R Needs A CVT

There's no denying that the new Civic Type R is an amazing hot hatch, but Honda made a mistake by making it manual-only and keeping their new CVT away from it

Could you possibly come up with a headline that would cause more controversy amongst petrolheads? Doubtful.

But my job here isn’t to cause an angry mob to come after me with keyboard torches and keyboard pitchforks. In fact, I am pretty confident that I have a sensible argument, at least in part. Part one of my argument is probably not all that controversial: Honda dropped the ball by making their new Civic Type R with only a 6-speed manual transmission.

The New Honda Civic Type R Needs A CVT

Don’t get me wrong—I love manuals just as much as anyone on this website. In fact, I bought my NA Miata largely because of its manual gearbox. After many gear changes in that thing, I am willing to say that cog-swapping the little 5-speed shifter is one of the great experiences a petrolhead could ever hope to have. But, I do have to admit, it’s not perfect 100% of the time. This is particularly true in the city, where even the most forgiving clutch will take a beating during normal day-to-day usage.

Although I can’t say that I’ve driven the new Type R myself, I’m willing to bet that I’d rather have the super-easy clutch from my Miata in town. Trust me, getting through major road congestion with a racing clutch is not fun at all. In fact, you might even grow tired of it in light city traffic. I get that this is the price of admission for buying a sportscar, but most people who buy a Type R (or any other hot hatch, for that matter) are actually going to use it primarily in the real world.

The New Honda Civic Type R Needs A CVT

It’s at this point where a few of you might be thinking “okay, fair enough, maybe Kyle’s got a point.” There’s still a high probability that even the vast majority of people in this camp think that I am either stupid, intoxicated, or both; for suggesting that Honda should spec the Type R with potentially the most unloved transaxle in the history of motoring. Certainly, if I were to make this statement ten years ago, everyone in the car community would have blown a snot bubble. Quite a few petrolheads will still call it blasphemous. Yet, I call it the logical thing to do.

The New Honda Civic Type R Needs A CVT

Yes, I am well aware that the continuously-variable transmission is the same gearbox that Toyota uses for the Prius. In fact, I have driven a Prius; as well as a couple of other vehicles with CVTs equipped. I get where all the hate comes from: they’re strangely noisy, uninvolving, and just plain vanilla. The cars I drove were older and, to the amusement of CVT-haters, pretty slow and unresponsive. But if you think that everything equipped with a CVT must be painfully boring, you should go and drive a snowmobile. I promise you, those are pretty far from boring.

But even if all you cared about was performance, could you justify buying a CVT Type R over the fabulous 6-speed manual version? We won’t know that for sure until Honda builds a prototype, but there’s evidence to suggest that you might want to have the slushbox on the track. A recent Motor Trend test of the manual-equipped 2017 Honda Civic Sport Hatchback yielded a 0-60mph time of 7.5 seconds. Incredibly, a similar Civic Hatchback equipped with a CVT will get the job done in only 6.8 seconds. At this point, you might begin to suspect that there must be a difference in the powertrains of these two cars. In fact, there is. They both come equipped with a 1.5-litre turbocharged 4-cylinder, but the slower Sport model produces six more horsepower. Go figure.

Here's a similar test of two nearly identical Civics (save for the gearbox) conducted by two Chinese journalists. Similarly, the CVT was slightly quicker to 100 km/h.
Here's a similar test of two nearly identical Civics (save for the gearbox…

Of course, stick-shifters will be quick to point out that, because you can’t hit 60mph in 2nd gear, you lose some time by changing gears in the manual version. Even so, I think that the CVT could, in theory, still be quicker. In a straight line, the CVT has the advantage of smoothly and constantly adjusting through seemingly infinite “gears”. This means that you should be able to put your foot to the floor and let the CVT work to keep the engine at its peak power band. In a car with a turbocharged engine, this means that you can hit boost and stay there. Once again, you can experience this phenomenon on a snowmobile.

On a race track with actual corners, that advantage starts to disappear. But all hope is not lost. Since most CVT-equipped cars are programmed to operate at several preset gear ratios (to simulate a traditional automatic gearbox), flappy paddles can still give you some manual control of the gearbox. I had a chance to try this out in my buddy’s Mitsubishi non-Evolution Lancer. I was able to give a willing challenger in a Ford Focus ST a run for the money at the lights. Despite a handicap of 100 horsepower, I was able to keep pace because I could hit 70 km/h in “1st gear”. Shifting into “2nd” didn’t really feel all that different from a conventional automatic; and although the ST would have wiped the floor with me if we started exceeding the speed limit, it quickly became clear to me that CVTs have turned a corner.

The New Honda Civic Type R Needs A CVT

Ironically, the manufacturer that seems to be leading the continuously-variable revolution is Honda. Enthusiasts were caught off-guard when they put their chips on the controversial CVT, but many will admit that the gamble paid off for the legendary Japanese carmaker. Because of them, the CVT is as good as it’s ever been; and I’m willing to bet that it’s only going to get better. The way I see it, the potential almost makes me foam at the mouth.

But for those that just want to feel the mechanical stimulation of Honda’s legendary manual gearbox, nothing else will do. And I get that. But it’s clear that Honda missed an opportunity to silence the CVT-haters of the world; and even more clear that they missed an easy chance to capture some more of the hot-hatch market share. Make no mistake, the latest Civic Type R is mind-bogglingly amazing. But I’m left to wonder if our nostalgia-driven obsession for manual gearboxes is keeping us from seeing the hot Honda’s full potential.

Do you think I’m on to something here? Or am I just on something? Let’s hear your opinions in the comments below!

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Comments

Jia the Supra Fanboy

A heavy duty CVT Type R would be incredibly on the track, but it would be a PR disaster. There are a LOT of “manual fanboys” out there, plus every single auto magazine loves writing sh!t about any performance car with any type of automatic.

07/30/2017 - 04:45 |
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A lot of the manual fanboys would just be wasting their breath because they can’t even afford a new Type R

07/30/2017 - 05:16 |
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I don’t see why introducing an auto box while keeping the manual would be that big of a PR disaster

07/30/2017 - 14:03 |
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Dat Incredible Chadkake

A post worthy of editor’s pick

07/30/2017 - 05:19 |
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Anonymous

My old 2-smoke Yamaha RX100 had to go for a full engine rebuild, which took a month, and I was stuck with the family 4-stroke Honda Activa, a 110cc CVT scooter. While I will admit to being prejudiced against the CVT before my month-long stint, I must say that at the end of the month, my stance on CVTs had changed. The Activa has the sort of pick-up that conventional geared motorcycle in this segment can only dream of, plus, it’s incredibly smooth and refined, fuel efficient and stress-free, which is exactly what you want after seven hours of eye-burning classes.

07/30/2017 - 05:23 |
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Anonymous

In reply to by Anonymous (not verified)

Haha last I knew scooters & mopeds had centrifugal clutches… That went quick! haha

07/31/2017 - 07:57 |
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5:19.55

Wow the manual isn’t the best thing in city… I mean having a wing doesn’t inform what your car is meant of to do. What they wanted with the type r was a car giving you proper driving sensation on tracks and backroad. If turning a wheel and playing with two pedals are what make you have fun, then drive the so great and fun snowmobile.

07/30/2017 - 07:14 |
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I am a tad to aggressive huh?
Anyway, i have never driven a car but i saw my dad drive a lot in city, long distances and traffic congestions. Honestly (what are we doing?), isn’t the problem lazy drivers who don’t want to use three pedals and not the car? Gearboxes got better with the time and clutch are a way of avoiding lasiness. Imagine, you’re in traffic, tired, and sudently you step on the gas. with a stick, there is more chance than engine simply rev as you need to cut the link between the wheels and the engine while wirh an auto, you may just let it in gear…

07/30/2017 - 10:31 |
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Anonymous

Its a drivers car. Period. So it gets a manual. Period. Im seeing a lot of pointlessly contrarian articles on here lately.

07/30/2017 - 07:25 |
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Anonymous

In reply to by Anonymous (not verified)

So Ferrari don’t make drivers cars?

Interesting…

07/30/2017 - 10:10 |
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Caro

If it could be in an F1 prototype 20 years ago, by now we could definitely have a version usable for the roads if it weren’t banned. With the praise Honda’s CVT’s get, I could see them being the ones to bring it back to the performance market, and I am very excited for the Type R that will bring infinite gearing to the nurburgring.

07/30/2017 - 07:57 |
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TheMindGarage

I don’t think that’s a problem. The Type-R is still a specialist car, and the sort of people who’d buy it would probably rather have the manual. If you want an auto, you get a more well-rounded car like the Golf R.

07/30/2017 - 08:02 |
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TheMindGarage

CVT. So that VTEC kicks in all the time :D

07/30/2017 - 08:03 |
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Anonymous

I used to agree with the whole making the most of the engines power and efficiency argument. Then I drove a Lexus hybrid with a cbt transmission.

I won’t lie to you it was the most unpleasant car I’ve ever driven! The engine felt like it was bouncing off the rev limiter pulling away at traffic lights.

Honestly being mauled by a pack of ill tempered mutated sea bass would have been more enjoyable. :-p

07/30/2017 - 08:30 |
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Anonymous

This guy must be an American? Only they would complain about there being no automatic gearbox

07/30/2017 - 08:32 |
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Anonymous

In reply to by Anonymous (not verified)

CVT isn’t an automatic gearbox. It doesn’t change gears.

07/30/2017 - 10:08 |
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