Does The FN2 Honda Civic Type R Deserve All The Hate?
“Worst Type R ever made.” “The FN2 is absolutely awful!” “I never liked this car.” Those were a few of the Instagram comments we received when posting up about our recent test of the FN2 generation Type R, neatly proving my reason for getting it in for a drive in the first place: it’s the least loved of all the Civic Type Rs.
So what’s the problem with it? First of all, Honda carried over the EP3’s 2.0-litre K20 VTEC engine pretty much unchanged, so it’s no faster than the one that came before it. Secondly, the chassis is technically inferior, as the EP3’s fully independent suspension setup was ditched for a less sophisticated independent front, torsion beam/trailing arm rear setup.
It doesn’t sound awfully promising on paper, but I’ve always wanted to try one for myself. And since we’ve been running the new ‘FK2’ generation Type R for the last few months on a long-term test, now seems like as good a time as any to see if the poor old FN2 is deserving of all that flack, or if there’s a gem of a car hiding under all that negative rep.
In terms of looks, I actually rather like it. Naturally it can’t compete with the classic looks of the original EK9 Type R, but I was never a fan of the whole bread van thing with the EP3, and when sitting next to ‘our’ FK2 with its festooning of wings and vents, you appreciate the old FN2’s smoother lines and more balanced overall look.
On the inside it’s familiar territory: as in the current R you’ve a pair of red, hip-hugging seats, and a ‘double decker’ arrangement to the dashboard that sees the rev counter, fuel gauge and temperature gauge sitting below, with the speedometer sitting on the upper section. Only here, it’s not quite so fancy, and the trip computer isn’t an utter faff to use.
So far, so good, and as an owner of one of the FN2’s contemporary rivals - the MkV VW Golf GTI - I found myself wondering if I should have bought a Honda instead. Until I drove it for the first time, of course.
The problem is the FN2 doesn’t at any time feel fast. You can buzz it up to the 8000rpm red line all you want, but save for a mild increase in poke from around 5500rpm, there’s no VTEC kicked in yo force pinning you in the back of your seat. The gear change isn’t as slick as the FK2 either, but the biggest problem is with the suspension. Not just because the chassis lacks the fluidity of the old EP3’s - no lift-off oversteer heroics here, I’m afraid - but also because it’s absurdly firm.
You’ve probably heard us and pretty much every other UK car publication out there complain about the overly harsh ‘+R’ mode on the latest Type R. The FN2 rides rather like that, except there are no adaptive dampers here, so you’re stuck with the firmness all the time.
It just never seems to settle: you’re constantly jiggling around. It’s irritating in town, and when you’re on a bumpy B road it’s downright scary when the chassis’ firmness and lack of finesse sees you skating around and grappling with the wheel just to stay on the tarmac.
It’s not all bad, though. Despite the lack of poke the N/A engine is an utter joy to smash into the red line, and emits a zingy din the new car could never hope to replicate. The steering’s superior to the EP3’s slow and slightly vague setup too, and the interior a far nicer place to spend time in.
The idea of an FN2 with aftermarket suspension and a power boost (apparently some breathing mods and a remap can hike things up to a more potent 230-240bhp) is a genuinely tempting one, but unfortunately in its standard guise, the FN2 is too uneven to pass muster.
It has neither the playful chassis of the EP3, nor the genuinely shocking capability of the FK2. So yes, it’s the ‘ugly duckingly’ of the Type Rs, and after sampling one for myself, I totally get why. But hey, since the current Type R is such a belter, I think we can forgive Honda for the one-off blip.
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As a compromise the FN2 is good, but for around the same price you could get one of these. A no nonsense, wheres the kids gone, I can’t hear you VTAAAAK. Type R.
This was the reason why an EK9 Type R was my first FWD car. I drove one of these and was like “WTF is this wizardry? how can FWD be good?? Where can i- oh never-mind dat price”. I heard the closest thing to it was an EK9 at the time so guess what was in my driveway a few days later.
Okay, I’m pretty much okay with all this. After trying one at its released I was so disappointed, then, I got the White Championship edition for more than a week and damn ! The WC is another car ! You can do what ever you want as throwing it in indecent oversteers. A journalist who’s car was a Clio 2 RS even thought the chassis was great ! To me, this car worth it ! So if you can’t find the WC, few bucks later you can got one. A famous tuner in France called Quagliozzi wins the French “Coupe des Circuits” every years ! Clio guys in this championship, so bored, even created an unofficial “Clio cup” inside it.
Honda seemingly went backwards instead of forwards!
Though the FN2 Mugen was cool
I’ll be that guy today. “Hey look its the Dinka Blista from GTA 5”
….I always thought the Blista was a Scirocco…..
I don’t know why people fuss over why we shouldn’t “hate” on cars, if it’s a bad car, it’s a bad car, nothing changes. Most of the time, what changes is nostalgia towards a car, not the actual car, so what gives?
When you consider the FN2’s JDM brother, the FD2, was so well received it makes this car even more depressing.
It looks like a potato.
A Comptech Supercharger, Gruppe M and decent suspension made a world of difference. Shame its now sold. 😣
Now that sounds much more like it!
After reading the whole post..
Still chose it as my first car on the PSP version of Fast and Furious, with some mods in that game it was a Wangan Champion