Why Do Diesel Engines Produce So Much Torque?
It’s not a secret that diesel engines consistently produce higher torque outputs than petrol engines. The difference between horsepower and torque is also normally much closer in diesel engines (if measured in lb ft), so how do they create all this extra grunt compared to petrol?
High compression ratio
The first reason is a much higher compression ratio. This is the ratio of the maximum and minimum volume in the cylinder of an engine. It’s made larger in a diesel engine due to a longer stroke, meaning the piston is moving up and down a larger internal volume of cylinder. Diesel engines never rev as high as petrol engines due to the fact that the piston has to travel further for its full rotation, while a petrol engine uses its shorter stroke to move the piston in quicker bursts, meaning the engine speed can be faster.
Higher calorific value
Another influence on torque output is the pressure exerted on the piston from the combusted fuel. Diesel (45500kJ/kg) has a slightly lower calorific value than petrol (45800kJ/kg) which means that more heat is actually contained within petrol for a given volume than diesel. However, diesel is much denser than petrol and can store up to 15 per cent more energy per given volume. This means that each time diesel is combusted, more energy is transferred through to pressure on the piston, increasing the amount of torque acting through the crankshaft.
Higher boost
Many diesel engines are also turbocharged to make up for the lack of out-and-out horsepower and engine speed. This then creates a higher pressure within the cylinder for the power stroke, which in turn creates an increase in torque. In comparison to turbochargers on gasoline engines, diesel turbos are generally setup to a much higher boost pressure, which reduces pumping losses during the intake stroke of the engine, allowing the engine to become more efficient in its conversion of energy through to the crankshaft.
The main thing to take from all this is that horsepower is definitely not the be-all and end-all, but it certainly has its uses. A petrol-powered racing engine can produce little torque but the sheer rev range can mean a high horsepower figure. On the other hand, a low revving diesel engine will always struggle to reach the same value in horsepower but can capitalise on the torque gains. This is why you never find diesel engines in any supercars or hypercars; if you have two engines making the same amount of torque but one of them is managing to rotate the crankshaft faster and therefore creating more power, you’d side with that one.
You must remember that diesel engines in their first instance were developed to rival the steam engine; engines designed to move very heavy loads, making high torque and constant speed essential. Gasoline engines on the other hand were developed for functions where high power-to-weight ratios were needed (early aircraft and motorbikes) and thus produce that fast-revving characteristic that most petrolheads crave over a torquey diesel.
The way to look at diesels is using an analogy like loading up your boot with something: let’s go with paving slabs. Petrol power is like carrying each single paving slab as quickly as possible, while a diesel engine is more like slowly moving four slabs at a time. The diesel engine is doing more work per engine revolution.
High performance diesels are also most certainly on the up – take Alpina for example. The D3 Bi-Turbo produces 345bhp and (predictably) 516lb ft of torque resulting in a 4.6sec 0-62mph time. That puts it in the territory of the BMW M2, an impressive achievement for a big, oil-burning estate. And who can forget Audi’s road-going R8 V12 TDI from 2008, which managed a top speed of 202mph through the extensive development of the company’s R18 Le Mans racers. Diesel power can therefore be effectively utilised for performance machinery, but the shift from petrol has yet to happen, thanks in part to the sudden rise in hybridisation and various diesel emissions scandals.
You probably won’t see Ferrari or Koenigsegg scrambling to develop diesel powertrains any time soon, but if out-and-out torque is required, rolling coal is the way to go.
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This is the 240hp, twin-turbo passat tdi. It’s a torque monster with 500nm (= 368lb-ft)
Golf GTI who? ;)
The only bad is the reliability of this engine. It would most probably fall apart after 150 000 kilometers. 240hp out of 2.0 R4 diesel is not so good idea for a long-termer… Same thing about Opel’s 1.6 CDTI Biturbo engine which has 160hp of power. It just won’t last too long. It all makes me kinda sad. :(
nice e30
Compared to the top diesels out there the 4 cylinder Passat diesel is an absolute joke. The Audi SQ7 with a 4l v8 diesel has 900nm
The Audi SQ7 produces 900nm of torque with a 435 hp 4l v8. The new BMW quad turbo V8 diesel will also produce more than 800nm. Even the Audi V6 3.0 tdi with 450 hp is much better than the 4 cylinder by VW and produces up to 580nm. 500 nm is not much for a diesel even 100 something hp diesel produce about 400 nm.
“ but why are they produce way more torque”
Diesels are great, rolling coal is for idiots. Nothing is a worse sign for the tuning of a Diesel engine than when a huge cloud of black smoke comes out.
You should see Portugal, there are thousands of Seat Ibizas that when they accelerate a huge cloud comes out. I really don’t like it, it looks stupid.
As a guy who likes diesels, I agree
Hi,
Nice shot but there is some confusion here :)
The CR is not directly related with the piston stroke, the volume of the cylinder is (so you have to know youre bore and dead volume)
In fact Diesel have loooong stroke due to several fact and limitation.
-Thermodynamical limitation
-mecanical limitation
Thermodynamicaly first,
Diesel fuel need more time to combust than petrol when it’s put into the hot combustion chamber.
That delay fix the maximum revs a diesel can reach at around 6000 rpm
If you go further you will just burn the fuel at an unapropriate moment.
Mecanicaly,
As the revs are limited by the combustion time (peroxyde making time) the engine architecture can be a “low rev” type so no need to have short stroke and looog rod for high rpm.
Plus longer stroke are nice for efficency thanks to better work recovery for the same expanded volume.(if volume being kept equal)
Add the fact that Diesel piston with integrated combustion chamber are heavy (steel piston soon ) and you understand why such low rev technical choice are possible and made.
For the “why do diesel produce so much torque?”
As you correctly said pumping losses and high CR do that, but todays diesel huge torque are mostly due to high boost and long combustion thanks to injector technologies.
For NOx reduction (heat reduction) Diesel CR tend to be lowered , from 22:1 in the 80’s to todays 16:1 and maybe less in the futur, contrary to gasoline engine which now reach CR as high as 14:1 … not very far from diesel now…
The pumping losse reduction is mostly the fact that diesel do not rely on butterfly for throttle contrary to gasoline engines (there is butterfly on diesel mostly for EGR control)
But state of the art gasoline with tech like BMW valvetronic or Fiat Multiair can get ride of throttle bodies and in a near futur freevalve tech and things like that will allow the same.
The torque obtained by injector tech is due to the fact that diesel cycle have a 2 distinc combustion phase, a constant volume one like gasoline and an almost contant pressure one.
That allow diesel engine to produce lot of work during the down stroke of the piston as the pressure remain high thanks to the still injecting and thus burning fuel.
And as said earlyier High CR make high engine efficiency thus a better performing engine (overall) because having a “overheated” combustion chamber is aimed to tend to burn the diesel fuel as soon it’s put in the chamber. (compromised by NOx production as the diesel burn mostly in lean mixture)
But don’t be fooled, gasoline engine will very soon kick diesels torque ass :) and fuel consumption
Thanks to turbos, high CR, SFI, valves contrôle etc…. and at last autoignition phase at low and part throttle
My 2 cents
sry but DIESEL POWER
Very good ! But Turbos don’t really help the fuel consumption with the high powered cars when they are driven quickly. It does improve C02 emissions on the test cycles though. The best example is the 911 Turbo S which needs about 15l more per 100km when driven on atrack compared to the new Viper ACR which has about 70 HP more.
Very true and very good!
Actually the butterfly valves in those commonrail diesels are there to reduce engine vibration when the vehicle is switched off by stopping air suction in to the engine.
They see me coalin’, they hatin’…
Hey man, grammar error in the sub-title, shout be ‘do’ rather than ‘are’.
NIce article though :D
280 HP… 1.9 TDi…. Over 70k done no probs… But here new PD engine costs about 200€… So i dont mind if it goes to waste I just change it.
280 HP, whoa… That must be a fast thing
A brand new engine costs 200 eur? That is hella cheap. Even for a used one, didn’t know they are that cheap, but I guess common engines are cheap.
200€?? Give me 10, I will pay for it. Here in Portugal, tdi are really cheap, and you paid for a pd 100, 500€ at least.
Hence why I love my fleet. All 600+ hp cummins with ground shaking torque
A45 AMG 2liter engine produces 475Nm of torque so I wouldn’t say modern diesels are so far ahead in twisting force numbers.
well the modern cummins engine makes almost 1,100 NM of torque, how bout that?
These days I would agree with you. But it really wasn’t that long ago that this just wasn’t the case. It’s taken a long time for petrol engines to catch up.
Heat control such as the VTG is a great technology !! I love how Porsche uses it to control the power by changing the boost pressure !
Hi,
It’s more a “boost control thing” than a heat control one …
Plus these Borg Warner turbos are utterly expensive…
The real avantage of these VTG gasoline turbo is when packaging is a problem. (small space needed)